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作者: polabearlian (專業鍵盤神農氏) 看板: Gossiping
標題: [爆卦] 新聞不報的VAGO,我爆給你
時間: Fri Nov 18 00:25:14 2016
***補個新卦***
https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Gossiping/M.1479407555.A.657.html
http://imgur.com/a/GU7Mq
**************
上個星期壹電視的記者來採訪這個消費糾紛案,
但這個星期看到播出,發現很多事情他們可能無法報導,
所以我決定自己爆。
這間叫做Creation Cell的公司打著台灣團隊的名號,
在國外Kickstarter 和 Indiegogo兩個募資平台上集資,
要生產他們所謂"收納神器"的產品。
但不知道為什麼Kickstarter上面登記的公司地點是LA
http://imgur.com/QtOHdQl
然後七月又跑回來台灣,
這次打著預購的名義,要大家揪團團購,
預計出貨時間是8月中旬。
聽說台灣預購人數破萬,以每個商品1k下去算,
KS和IN平台都有近萬的訂單,大概抓三萬好了,
總共募集到3,000萬的資金。
http://imgur.com/a/uCa20
結果8月中旬到了,東西沒辦法出貨,
到8/22才貼公告說會延遲;
然後9/15號又貼公告,說生產進度不錯唷~
可能會提前出貨。
大概是因為生產挺順利的,
所以就有團隊的成員跑去<<拉斯維加斯開慶功宴>>了。
這是KS上的團隊照片
http://imgur.com/a/mkEjG
這是其中一位成員的臉書頁面
http://imgur.com/3C6p7Cp
順便一提,他上面寫的那個公司維基百科說已經收起來了。
這是拉斯維加斯的慶功宴牛排照
http://imgur.com/sNDQvuR
看得我都餓了
結果十月中了,消費者敲到碗都快破了,
10/15終於宣布要開始出貨--
但因為專用收納袋分批生產,
所以如果當初你買的是完整版三個袋子都有,
不好意思你還要等。
然後就被罵了。
然後他們就修改出貨方式,變成機器跟其中一個袋子先給你,
剩下的之後補寄,結果發生東西只出一半,
出貨單卻寫上"全部訂單內容"這種悲劇;
然後答應消費者會補寄,但後續我還沒追蹤到,
所以到底寄了沒我也不清楚。(抓頭)
就在大家瘋狂抱怨東西哪時候要出貨的這個moment,
有眼尖的消費者發現他們都生產不及了,
竟然還想在網購平台上架
https://goo.gl/aDKyd8
於是又被罵了,然後被PayEasy下架。
這時候大家已經非常疑惑,為什麼都無法出貨了,
還要一直接訂單咧?
接著,KS與IN上的贊助人出現了!
原來這群人是最早參與資助的,卻到現在都還沒拿到東西!
於是他們到VAGO商品的國際版臉書上詢問,
結果跟離鄉打仗的老公一樣沒消沒息。
http://imgur.com/Pw6ftEK
https://www.facebook.com/CreationCell.VAGO/?fref=ts
可以看到學會中文真的好重要,
台灣版粉專上貼文罵人還可以得到一句對不起,
國際版粉專上貼文會直接被射後不理喔! >,^
越來越多人要求他們提供出貨進度查詢,
還有人收到東西不滿意要退換貨,
更多人開始說乾脆退錢;
這時候公司非常阿莎力的表示,沒問題!我們可以退錢給你!
但我們只接受臉書跟電子郵件申請,
因為人力問題所以無法提供開放平台讓大家退錢退貨。
所以如果你要退! 沒問題!
請先傳臉書或電子郵件訊息給它們,
然後等上個幾天或幾個星期或一個月,
直到他們看到你的訊息(也有可能像我這樣被跳過 XD ),
就會跟你說他們開始著手處理,
然後再等上個幾天或幾個星期或幾個月~
就可以拿到你的退貨/退款了!
P.S. 如果你是KS或IN上的消費者,拍謝,
請想辦法找到台灣區的粉專傳訊息喔!
http://imgur.com/ktJufr4
因為你在KS上面詢問是不會有人理你的! 揪咪!
又為什麼,出貨的速度已經嚴重落後了,
還可以跑去日本的「募資平台」上架呢?
(是說商品都開始生產了幹嘛還募資?!)
http://imgur.com/pof6716
八小時內達標耶!! 正港台灣之光!!
這麼長的等待期間,我們的錢都被拿去做什麼了?
又為什麼還需要日本那邊的資金呢?
這個問題可能要請人在日本、根本無法在台灣監工,
導致商品有瑕疵全部重新生產然後只會說對不起的創辦人之一來解答
http://imgur.com/HZbDCnK
http://imgur.com/X7dkF2c
雖然他們後來有在臉書和記者採訪的時候解釋
他們被工廠擺了一道,用了爛的塑膠,
所以原本生產好的東西只能全部丟棄~
但既然是廠商出的包,應該不會要求你們再給一次原料的費用吧?
而且所有的東西要重新生產,工廠的負擔應該很大,
那請問明年一月又要去中國上架是怎樣?! (翻桌)
現在KS、IN和台灣的貨都出不完了,
日本那邊預定的出貨時間是2017/01喔!!!!!!
真的有辦法準時出貨、不繼續在國外丟台灣人的臉嗎?
我們繼續看下去~~~
--後記--
像這樣無償借貸的情況在台灣越來越嚴重,
都是以預購作為名義,吸收大筆資金,
然後無限延後出貨日期;
等到消費者不耐煩了,要求退款,
才把錢退還給消費者。
問題是這中間資金被做了什麼樣的運用?
消費者碰到這種無限延後出貨的情況,
除了要求退錢根本別無他法,只能自認倒楣。
(連消保官都叫你退錢了事)
而且這次還丟臉丟到國外去,
讓許多外國人覺得台灣的青創團隊是不可信任的。
將來有其他台灣年輕人要募資,誰還敢贊助?
面對這間公司無窮無盡的道歉,
我只想說:
"道歉有用的話,要警察幹嘛?"
請你們公布出貨進度、提供查詢系統,
都只會推說辦不到,然後有時間去看棒球、在日本吃燒肉;
面對臉書堆積成山的留言與詢問就選擇性回覆,
這是面對問題的處理態度嗎?
目前也只能先找立委辦公室討論,
後續能怎麼處理,我也沒把握。
只能說,生在台灣,當個台灣的消費者,
就是你擺脫不了的倒楣宿命。(嘆)
--
看不見嗎 她就在躲在我背後 避著風睡著了
直到溫暖的陽光投射過來時 她就會醒來 再等待一下吧
-回想- Super Junior K.R.Y.
--
作者: polabearlian (專業鍵盤神農氏) 看板: Gossiping
標題: [爆卦] 新聞不報的VAGO,我爆給你
時間: Fri Nov 18 00:25:14 2016
***補個新卦***
https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Gossiping/M.1479407555.A.657.html
http://imgur.com/a/GU7Mq
**************
上個星期壹電視的記者來採訪這個消費糾紛案,
但這個星期看到播出,發現很多事情他們可能無法報導,
所以我決定自己爆。
這間叫做Creation Cell的公司打著台灣團隊的名號,
在國外Kickstarter 和 Indiegogo兩個募資平台上集資,
要生產他們所謂"收納神器"的產品。
但不知道為什麼Kickstarter上面登記的公司地點是LA
http://imgur.com/QtOHdQl
然後七月又跑回來台灣,
這次打著預購的名義,要大家揪團團購,
預計出貨時間是8月中旬。
聽說台灣預購人數破萬,以每個商品1k下去算,
KS和IN平台都有近萬的訂單,大概抓三萬好了,
總共募集到3,000萬的資金。
http://imgur.com/a/uCa20
結果8月中旬到了,東西沒辦法出貨,
到8/22才貼公告說會延遲;
然後9/15號又貼公告,說生產進度不錯唷~
可能會提前出貨。
大概是因為生產挺順利的,
所以就有團隊的成員跑去<<拉斯維加斯開慶功宴>>了。
這是KS上的團隊照片
http://imgur.com/a/mkEjG
這是其中一位成員的臉書頁面
http://imgur.com/3C6p7Cp
順便一提,他上面寫的那個公司維基百科說已經收起來了。
這是拉斯維加斯的慶功宴牛排照
http://imgur.com/sNDQvuR
看得我都餓了
結果十月中了,消費者敲到碗都快破了,
10/15終於宣布要開始出貨--
但因為專用收納袋分批生產,
所以如果當初你買的是完整版三個袋子都有,
不好意思你還要等。
然後就被罵了。
然後他們就修改出貨方式,變成機器跟其中一個袋子先給你,
剩下的之後補寄,結果發生東西只出一半,
出貨單卻寫上"全部訂單內容"這種悲劇;
然後答應消費者會補寄,但後續我還沒追蹤到,
所以到底寄了沒我也不清楚。(抓頭)
就在大家瘋狂抱怨東西哪時候要出貨的這個moment,
有眼尖的消費者發現他們都生產不及了,
竟然還想在網購平台上架
https://goo.gl/aDKyd8
於是又被罵了,然後被PayEasy下架。
這時候大家已經非常疑惑,為什麼都無法出貨了,
還要一直接訂單咧?
接著,KS與IN上的贊助人出現了!
原來這群人是最早參與資助的,卻到現在都還沒拿到東西!
於是他們到VAGO商品的國際版臉書上詢問,
結果跟離鄉打仗的老公一樣沒消沒息。
http://imgur.com/Pw6ftEK
https://www.facebook.com/CreationCell.VAGO/?fref=ts
可以看到學會中文真的好重要,
台灣版粉專上貼文罵人還可以得到一句對不起,
國際版粉專上貼文會直接被射後不理喔! >,^
越來越多人要求他們提供出貨進度查詢,
還有人收到東西不滿意要退換貨,
更多人開始說乾脆退錢;
這時候公司非常阿莎力的表示,沒問題!我們可以退錢給你!
但我們只接受臉書跟電子郵件申請,
因為人力問題所以無法提供開放平台讓大家退錢退貨。
所以如果你要退! 沒問題!
請先傳臉書或電子郵件訊息給它們,
然後等上個幾天或幾個星期或一個月,
直到他們看到你的訊息(也有可能像我這樣被跳過 XD ),
就會跟你說他們開始著手處理,
然後再等上個幾天或幾個星期或幾個月~
就可以拿到你的退貨/退款了!
P.S. 如果你是KS或IN上的消費者,拍謝,
請想辦法找到台灣區的粉專傳訊息喔!
http://imgur.com/ktJufr4
因為你在KS上面詢問是不會有人理你的! 揪咪!
又為什麼,出貨的速度已經嚴重落後了,
還可以跑去日本的「募資平台」上架呢?
(是說商品都開始生產了幹嘛還募資?!)
http://imgur.com/pof6716
八小時內達標耶!! 正港台灣之光!!
這麼長的等待期間,我們的錢都被拿去做什麼了?
又為什麼還需要日本那邊的資金呢?
這個問題可能要請人在日本、根本無法在台灣監工,
導致商品有瑕疵全部重新生產然後只會說對不起的創辦人之一來解答
http://imgur.com/HZbDCnK
http://imgur.com/X7dkF2c
雖然他們後來有在臉書和記者採訪的時候解釋
他們被工廠擺了一道,用了爛的塑膠,
所以原本生產好的東西只能全部丟棄~
但既然是廠商出的包,應該不會要求你們再給一次原料的費用吧?
而且所有的東西要重新生產,工廠的負擔應該很大,
那請問明年一月又要去中國上架是怎樣?! (翻桌)
現在KS、IN和台灣的貨都出不完了,
日本那邊預定的出貨時間是2017/01喔!!!!!!
真的有辦法準時出貨、不繼續在國外丟台灣人的臉嗎?
我們繼續看下去~~~
--後記--
像這樣無償借貸的情況在台灣越來越嚴重,
都是以預購作為名義,吸收大筆資金,
然後無限延後出貨日期;
等到消費者不耐煩了,要求退款,
才把錢退還給消費者。
問題是這中間資金被做了什麼樣的運用?
消費者碰到這種無限延後出貨的情況,
除了要求退錢根本別無他法,只能自認倒楣。
(連消保官都叫你退錢了事)
而且這次還丟臉丟到國外去,
讓許多外國人覺得台灣的青創團隊是不可信任的。
將來有其他台灣年輕人要募資,誰還敢贊助?
面對這間公司無窮無盡的道歉,
我只想說:
"道歉有用的話,要警察幹嘛?"
請你們公布出貨進度、提供查詢系統,
都只會推說辦不到,然後有時間去看棒球、在日本吃燒肉;
面對臉書堆積成山的留言與詢問就選擇性回覆,
這是面對問題的處理態度嗎?
目前也只能先找立委辦公室討論,
後續能怎麼處理,我也沒把握。
只能說,生在台灣,當個台灣的消費者,
就是你擺脫不了的倒楣宿命。(嘆)
--
看不見嗎 她就在躲在我背後 避著風睡著了
直到溫暖的陽光投射過來時 她就會醒來 再等待一下吧
-回想- Super Junior K.R.Y.
--
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