各行業的毛利率,費用率及淨利率統計 - 創業
By Todd Johnson
at 2011-05-15T22:23
at 2011-05-15T22:23
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http://icantw.brinkster.net/jobprofit.htm
在網路上看到這個表,
淨利率好像才是最後的獲利比例,
餐廳和飲料之類的小店, 好像淨利率不算高,
獲利能力最高的好像是夜總會, 舞廳或酒店 XD
有些行業可能進入成本需要很高,
或是獲利很高但是久久賺一次
可能都會影響最後的營收吧
※ 編輯: rdfs 來自: 123.193.72.112 (05/15 22:25)
→ siriue:那個表的統計資料有問題,隨便看幾個都是錯的 05/15 22:25
→ rdfs:原來這個表...是有問題的喔? = = 05/15 22:28
→ siriue:你上網去查7-11的毛利率跟這張表對照就知道差很多 05/15 22:29
→ siriue:7-11的毛利率是公開的~ 05/15 22:29
→ siriue:另外,寶雅也是公開的,跟表對照一下吧 05/15 22:29
推 yokoyah:是啊 看看餐飲業的毛利率能那麼低的話 05/15 22:30
→ yokoyah:就不會有人倒店了 05/15 22:31
推 yokoyah:不過7-11的毛利率又去哪看啊 有單店或單項的嗎? 05/15 22:34
→ siriue:統一超的財報跟年報都可以看得出來,公開資訊觀測站 05/15 22:36
→ jrhouse:理論是一回事,實戰是一回事,不相等 05/15 22:56
→ batboylin:飲食攤、小吃攤毛利那麼低嗎? 麵攤的毛利率在70成耶... 05/15 23:31
→ batboylin:飲食攤、小吃攤淨利率只有8%? 那篇作者肯定不懂小吃業.. 05/15 23:35
→ batboylin:以行業別來看要注意的是毛利率!(但要資料正確) 現在毛利 05/15 23:39
→ batboylin:都壓的很死...新手容易被上游騙而減低毛利...老手會找貨 05/15 23:41
→ batboylin:源而提高毛利! 就一件290的衣服 去五分埔批160 去廣州批 05/15 23:42
→ batboylin:12元人民幣...而淨利在於各別的經營技術 因此以行業別分 05/15 23:44
→ batboylin:是沒有意義!同樣賣雞排有人月賺30萬 有人虧本..堆多行了 05/15 23:45
推 daimond:毛利要扣除各種營業費用才會有淨利....30萬是毛利或淨利? 05/16 01:24
→ daimond:我不相信是淨利.... 05/16 01:24
噓 obs7O1:看推文有人分不清楚毛利跟淨利的關係 05/16 02:25
推 obs7O1:連結上有解釋 可以去看看吧 05/16 02:28
→ obs7O1:還有 其實小吃飲食攤這種毛利很難賺 因為再加工的成本得算 05/16 02:30
→ obs7O1:有點像製造業的算法 而不能單純只看麵粉跟肉的錢 05/16 02:31
→ batboylin:daimond是不相信有夜市賣雞排淨利可達30萬吧! 05/16 11:08
→ batboylin:我指的"賺"當然是指淨利囉,不會像東X著衣等用營收搏媒體 05/16 11:10
→ batboylin:阿甘說的很清楚"毛利率是指尚未扣除各項管銷費"所以人事 05/16 11:13
→ batboylin:要算不算大家先講法一致才不會雞同鴨講! 然obs的想法是 05/16 11:16
→ batboylin:對的"小吃飲食攤很難賺"因為他們是用勞力加工算錢!所以 05/16 11:17
→ batboylin:若單純用一致性的毛利率算法(因為要一致才能比)服飾業40 05/16 11:19
→ batboylin:% 而麵攤70% 毛利率 但麵攤還要考量用勞力在賺錢的成本 05/16 11:20
→ batboylin:其實這些會計用的名詞主用來溝通 我之前強調過 當老闆要 05/16 11:26
→ batboylin:有能力1分鐘內與別人名詞一致 而非作無謂堅持 在很多行 05/16 11:27
→ batboylin:業 講的賣一件賺幾件 如果不能融入是會被排擠的 05/16 11:29
→ batboylin:另回原PO 看一家店不能看淨利率與營收 要看"淨利" 05/16 12:01
→ batboylin:營收是拿來看同一家店各季各年收入變化用的 拿來比別家 05/16 12:03
→ batboylin:就沒意義了 賺錢手段各不同 最後淨利見真章 抱歉太多行 05/16 12:04
推 yokoyah:毛利淨利這種會計上的名詞 都還要改定義 那還怎麼溝通啊 05/16 19:24
→ yokoyah:就像太陽升起的方向叫東方 偏偏還要重新定義叫西方 05/16 19:24
→ yokoyah:整天重新定義就好啦 還能夠溝通嗎? 05/16 19:25
→ batboylin:我想這邊的爭議在於 例如開餐廳 廚師的薪資要不要在算毛 05/16 19:31
→ batboylin:利時放進去! 若不放則毛利7成是有的 放則可能剩4成... 05/16 19:33
→ batboylin:然麵店攤就更複雜了 因為老闆可能廚師兼外場 05/16 19:41
→ batboylin:毛利=銷貨收入-產品成本(包括直接材料+直接人工+製造費) 05/16 20:27
→ batboylin:直接員工指的就是廚師 原料採購人事對吧 那麵店早餐店的 05/16 20:29
→ batboylin:人事是混合直接人工與外場管銷的不是嗎? 05/16 20:30
→ batboylin:所以定義是不改的 但人事費如何計入要了解才好溝通 05/16 20:33
推 daimond:毛利很簡單啊,就是總收入-進貨成本而已.這不含人事費用的, 05/16 23:55
→ daimond:各行各業的毛利都是如此,而淨利是指扣掉人事以及其他管銷 05/16 23:55
→ daimond:得到的結果,又有分稅前跟稅後,通常要看到稅後淨利比較準確 05/16 23:55
→ daimond:然後我還是不太相信夜市雞排有30萬的淨利,有案例可參考嗎? 05/16 23:56
→ daimond:30萬淨利最少要有100萬營業額,一片40來算,不休息一個月躍 05/16 23:57
→ daimond:賣最少每天833片,每天8小時最少每小時要104片.. 05/16 23:58
推 HAESHU:b大是對的,廚師的薪資得列入直接人工及製造費用中,所以毛 05/17 01:24
推 daimond:會計原則中講的毛利,是不包含人事成本,這個查書本就知道了 05/17 01:26
→ HAESHU:利會拉低,通常規模夠作財報才會分那麼細。如果一般小吃店 05/17 01:26
→ daimond:任何產業都是一樣吧,沒聽過哪個產業的毛利計算法不一樣= = 05/17 01:26
→ HAESHU:,把薪資都列在營業費用中會比較簡便些~ 05/17 01:26
→ HAESHU:另外小七的財報還包含星巴克、康是美等企業,比率會跑掉些~ 05/17 01:28
→ HAESHU:D大的人事成本是非製造業算法。若是製造業,則人工得攤到製 05/17 01:29
→ HAESHU:造成本裡的直接人工 or 製造費用~ 05/17 01:30
推 obs7O1:製造業中 人工是會算進去毛利的變數的喔 05/17 02:47
推 daimond:變數是指?我知道的製造業毛利是指營收-物料成本=毛利 05/17 03:23
→ batboylin:先回答daimond 雞牌一晚賣833片當然不能一家賣呀!! 要開 05/17 13:52
→ batboylin:很多攤或開放加盟 當然那是夜市老闆聊天講的 我也拿不出 05/17 13:54
→ batboylin:證據 你不訪去士林夜市找幾家聊聊真相... 05/17 13:56
→ batboylin:而毛利=營收-產品成本, 不是物料成本喔! 是該公司製造出 05/17 13:57
→ batboylin:該產品的成本!! 之後賣該產品與之前迎賓簽單的成本則在 05/17 14:00
→ batboylin:算淨利時才扣除 所以公司員工的工作內容關係到毛利 05/17 14:01
→ batboylin:當然講到淨利(真正賺多少)時 人事何時扣都不是很重要吧 05/17 14:06
推 daimond:難怪,我看你說賣雞排可以賺30萬,我不太相信這是一間店可做 05/17 23:35
→ daimond:要講加盟系統,那又是另外一回事了. 05/17 23:35
→ daimond:反正我只知道毛利的計算就是總營收-總物料成本就對了 05/17 23:36
→ daimond:淨利則是毛利再減掉所有人事支出及水電、房租等管銷費用 05/17 23:36
→ daimond:如果要談毛利,或用到這個名詞,還是用業界統一的說法較合適 05/17 23:36
→ daimond:不太可能你講的毛利是這樣算,我講的又是那樣算,一定有人 05/17 23:37
→ daimond:弄錯. 05/17 23:37
→ batboylin:毛利定義上沒有衝突!查谷哥就清楚!毛利又稱商品進銷差價 05/18 00:04
→ batboylin:何謂商品?以早餐店來說就是漢堡三名治紅茶豆漿! 05/18 00:06
→ batboylin:做成漢堡的原料耗材人力等都要在算毛利中扣除!製造業就 05/18 00:08
→ batboylin:是如此! 像服務業的話 去中日韓批貨的旅費工資也要計入 05/18 00:09
→ batboylin:商品成本 絕對不是批100賣300毛利就算6成7那麼簡單 05/18 00:11
推 HAESHU:舉85度C為例,後場烘焙師傅只負責烘焙,所以他的薪資要分攤 05/18 00:33
→ HAESHU:至作好的糕餅中。糕餅的成本為麵粉+分攤師傅薪資+分攤水電 05/18 00:39
→ HAESHU:這部分會跑到銷貨成本裡。 05/18 00:40
→ daimond:樓上談的毛利計算,我怎麼沒聽說過,有哪位大大可以解析? 05/18 01:10
→ daimond:銷貨成本指的就是物料,何來人力跟水電啊?@@ 05/18 01:11
→ daimond:旅費工資計入商品成本,我也沒聽說過這種事情...孤陋寡聞 05/18 01:11
推 daimond:兩位有合作的會計事務所嗎?去問問她們吧 05/18 01:17
→ batboylin:我想daimond應該自己去問問會計事務所 並思考為何那麼多 05/18 14:05
→ batboylin:多人都說同樣的話"廚師與批貨人員要算進商品成本" 05/18 14:06
→ batboylin:因為你真的是孤陋寡聞了 真的 05/18 14:07
→ batboylin:當然 隔行如隔山也不能怪你 ^^ 05/18 14:07
→ batboylin:當然若你只是開家咖啡點心店, 烘焙與外場的工作是混合的 05/18 14:21
→ batboylin:會計士為了方便做帳 會將員工都算入之後的管銷中!乍看下 05/18 14:23
→ batboylin:你的毛利是很高 但如果有一天你想成為另一個85度C你應 05/18 14:24
→ batboylin:自己心裡有個大公司正確毛利算法 以免誤解別人毛利低 05/18 14:25
→ batboylin:銷貨成本指的是你的公司製造或引進該欲銷售之貨物的成本 05/18 14:42
→ batboylin:包括製作或引進途中的物料 員工 製程費用 進貨旅費 等凡 05/18 14:46
→ batboylin:是為了製造或引進該銷售物所產生的費用 了解否? 05/18 14:47
推 HAESHU:我懶得再回了~我曾在四大會計師事務所擔任查帳員數年... 05/18 14:50
→ batboylin:基於此 我對於保險業的毛利還是很好奇 05/18 14:51
→ batboylin:保險業的商品是各類型保險 那麼銷貨成本是否指的是研發 05/18 14:53
→ batboylin:部門的費用呢? 不知HAESHU大能否替大家解惑一下 05/18 14:54
→ HAESHU:得說抱歉~保險金融業會計處理特殊,歸金融組查~不太清楚~ 05/18 15:57
→ batboylin:嗯 隔行如隔山 其實我也很孤陋寡聞 只是經一事學一智 05/18 16:45
推 daimond:我來求證一下我這邊的資訊 05/18 23:22
推 daimond:不論我google幾次,都找不到毛利計算中的進貨成本包含人力 05/18 23:26
推 daimond:我前天才跟事務所結算五六月稅,是務所告知人力不得算為銷 05/18 23:33
→ daimond:貨成本,故人力無法抵稅,就算有勞健保也是一樣 05/18 23:33
推 alice822:哪這麼多問題= =開這麼多店這麼久了 05/18 23:40
→ alice822:只扣掉原物料的是毛利 扣掉人事店租店內開銷折舊是淨利 05/18 23:40
→ alice822:這不是常識嗎 05/18 23:41
推 alice822:如果是h大說的 也能說是一部分的專業知識 05/18 23:43
→ alice822:要是行業別不同才有的認知不同 沒必要說別人孤陋寡聞 05/18 23:45
→ alice822:因為說的人自己也是 呵呵 05/18 23:45
推 daimond:我查一下我這邊的事務所是否對不同行業別有不同毛利計算法 05/18 23:46
→ daimond:明天問到再回上來 05/18 23:47
→ HAESHU:孤陋寡聞可是D大說的~ XD 05/18 23:55
推 daimond:可我找不到製造業的毛利計算法則包含要扣掉人事,請問H大 05/18 23:55
→ daimond:能幫忙提供嗎?供小弟增長見聞 ~ 感恩 05/18 23:56
→ daimond:我找到的都是收入-物料=毛利,沒看到物料要包含人事的毛利 05/18 23:56
→ batboylin:用google查銷貨成本 出現在第五個網址 Ez會計師那網址 05/19 00:01
→ batboylin:每一個產品都有基本的成本,該成本由材料+人工+分攤製造 05/19 00:02
→ batboylin:費用所組成...沒有賣出去就是存貨成本,賣出去的就叫做 05/19 00:04
→ batboylin:銷貨成本... 05/19 00:05
推 batboylin:其實像補教業 顧問公司...等等的毛利如何算 我也很好奇 05/19 00:09
推 daimond:你一件衣服進貨50元,你賣300元,毛利等於300-50=250,這個答 05/19 00:11
→ daimond:案不曉得B大&H大有意見嗎? 05/19 00:12
→ batboylin:毛利的算法之討論很有意義, 如果因為孤陋寡聞一詞讓討論 05/19 00:12
→ daimond:我網路上查到所有毛利計算公式,都是如此計算,或是有不同的 05/19 00:12
→ batboylin:變調就不好了, 所以孤陋寡聞我自己吃下去了 sorry啦 05/19 00:13
→ batboylin:我當出入行也是這樣算的 但後來發現有不妥 05/19 00:14
→ batboylin:小店這樣算是差不多了, 但像五分埔的大咖呢? 進一件衣服 05/19 00:15
推 daimond:或許製造業真的有不同的毛利計算法,如果有,還請提供link 05/19 00:17
→ batboylin:的成本包括 拿貨價 派去大陸的採購人的差旅膳雜 海空運 05/19 00:17
→ daimond:又可以學到新的知識 感恩~ 05/19 00:17
→ daimond:差旅海運空費那些~都算在管銷吧?扣掉管銷才是淨利 05/19 00:17
→ batboylin:費(含報關費) 境內運費等, 這些費用一個月數十萬以上! 05/19 00:18
→ batboylin:依海空運的性質不同 在邏輯上是可商確的 05/19 00:20
推 daimond:B大你講的這些支出若能抵稅,則可視為物料成本,可在我事務 05/19 00:21
→ daimond:所處理上是不行,不曉得你的事務所可以處理? 05/19 00:21
→ batboylin:我想 這由會計師認定比較準 05/19 00:22
→ daimond:我已經發信詢問我這邊事務所,看看明天是否有不同的答案 05/19 00:23
→ daimond:或許你也可以提供你那邊事務所的回覆,兩相比較看看 05/19 00:23
→ batboylin:不能抵稅在於很難證明跟物料成本有關吧 為了作帳順利 05/19 00:24
→ batboylin:我想daimond有所不知 服飾業大到五分埔都是逃稅的 只登 05/19 00:26
→ batboylin:記商號...所以邏輯歸邏輯 實際上我們都只是讓記帳士弄.. 05/19 00:28
→ batboylin:所以才會有都算管銷的帳目 小聲點 別讓h大的舊同事知道 05/19 00:30
推 daimond:沒關係,我明天會等會計師回覆毛利的計算法 XD 05/19 00:33
推 cashbank:我們公司也像h大這樣算a-_-.. 05/19 01:01
→ cashbank:各位都很專業我看的霧殺殺-_-.但是怎麼算有賺才重要啦XD" 05/19 01:06
→ cashbank:就我不專業看法,其實都對-_-.不過立基點好像不同-_- 05/19 01:07
推 HAESHU:推有賺錢比較重要~XD 帳務就交給事務所幫忙處理吧~^^ 05/19 01:38
推 daimond:H大不是懶得回了? XD 05/19 03:25
推 daimond:我這邊事務所回覆製造業的毛利計算也是收入-物料 05/19 23:03
→ batboylin:看來7888篇寫的還是跟你的事務所回覆不一樣... 05/19 23:34
推 daimond:bat大是製造業嗎? 05/19 23:41
→ daimond:你可以打電話問10間事務所,她們都會告訴你毛利為收入減物 05/19 23:43
→ daimond:料成本,而人事費用(廚師或什麼人事)不算在扣除後得到毛利 05/19 23:43
→ batboylin:不知daimond有沒看清楚siriue的文章? 也就是不要一直在 05/20 09:40
→ batboylin:是否工廠製造業打轉 今天85度C不是製造業但一樣的算法!! 05/20 09:40
→ batboylin:當然就像siriue講的 小型的創業也不用計較這些 05/20 09:40
→ batboylin:但如果有一天你茁壯了 還是要了解一下比較好 05/20 09:41
→ batboylin:尤其茁壯時你可能將面對HAESHU的同事查帳的時候Y 05/20 09:42
推 joveryant:感謝以上討論的各位專家 長知識啊!!!!!!!!!! 05/23 09:09
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